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Version vom 1. Dezember 2012, 19:06 Uhr

Englisch-Symbol.jpg for English or other languages just click here

Verwendete Logos

Imperien

Terraner


<img size=60>MAJOR1.png</img> 


MAJOR1.bop
Hanuhr


<img size=60>MAJOR2.png</img> 


MAJOR2.bop
Khayrin


<img size=60>MAJOR3.png</img> 


MAJOR3.bop
Rotharianer


<img size=60>MAJOR4.png</img> 


MAJOR4.bop
Cartarer


<img size=60>MAJOR5.png</img> 


MAJOR5.bop
Omega


<img size=60>MAJOR6.png</img> 


MAJOR6.bop

Minors

<img size=30>ADAMAR.png</img> <img size=30>ANDROMEDA.png</img> <img size=30>ANKARA.png</img> <img size=30>AZORA.png</img> <img size=30>BAFLID.png</img> <img size=30>BOTHA.png</img> <img size=30>BRANE.png</img> <img size=30>CHEWARK.png</img> <img size=30>DELARI.png</img> <img size=30>DESHANT.png</img> <img size=30>DRIZZ.png</img> <img size=30>HAZET.png</img> <img size=30>HERAKLES.png</img> <img size=30>HIROAKKA.png</img> <img size=30>KARORR.png</img> <img size=30>LEVA.png</img> <img size=30>MOZWAR.png</img> <img size=30>NUNDOSA.png</img> <img size=30>REMDOMAS.png</img> <img size=30>SEVAR.png</img> <img size=30>STORGOR.png</img> <img size=30>TAROK.png</img> <img size=30>TAROKO.png</img> <img size=30>TAROKYTE.png</img> <img size=30>VAWDOR.png</img> <img size=30>VIKARMO.png</img> <img size=30>VORGOR.png</img> <img size=30>VULMAR.png</img> <img size=30>XIBORG.png</img> <img size=30>YIMANDA.png</img> <img size=30>ZHORDAN.png</img>

Adamanen


<img size=60>ADAMAR.png</img> 


ADAMAR.bop
Andromedaner


<img size=60>ANDROMEDA.png</img> 


ANDROMEDA.bop
Ankaraner


<img size=60>ANKARA.png</img> 


ANKARA.bop
Azoraner


<img size=60>AZORA.png</img> 


AZORA.bop
Bafliden


<img size=60>BAFLID.png</img> 


BAFLID.bop
Bothasiori


<img size=60>BOTHA.png</img> 


BOTHA.bop
Brane


<img size=60>BRANE.png</img> 


BRANE.bop
Chewark


<img size=60>CHEWARK.png</img> 


CHEWARK.bop
Delarianer


<img size=60>DELARI.png</img> 


DELARI.bop
Deshant


<img size=60>DESHANT.png</img> 


DESHANT.bop
Drizzi


<img size=60>DRIZZ.png</img> 


DRIZZ.bop
Hazeti


<img size=60>HAZET.png</img> 


HAZET.bop
Herakleten


<img size=60>HERAKLES.png</img> 


HERAKLES.bop
Hiro'akken


<img size=60>HIROAKKA.png</img> 


HIRO'AKKA.bop
Karorr


<img size=60>KARORR.png</img> 


KARORR.bop
Levaner


<img size=60>LEVA.png</img> 


LEVA.bop
Mozwar


<img size=60>MOZWAR.png</img> 


MOZWAR.bop
Nundosa


<img size=60>NUNDOSA.png</img> 


NUNDOSA.bop
Thremdomas


<img size=60>REMDOMAS.png</img> 


REMDOMAS.bop
Sevar


<img size=60>SEVAR.png</img> 


SEVAR.bop
Storgor


<img size=60>STORGOR.png</img> 


STORGOR.bop
Tarokaner


<img size=60>TAROK.png</img> 


TAROK.bop
Tarokohe


<img size=60>TAROKO.png</img> 


TAROKO.bop
Tarokyten


<img size=60>TAROKYTE.png</img> 


TAROKYTE.bop
Vawdor


<img size=60>VAWDOR.png</img> 


VAWDOR.bop
Vikarmo


<img size=60>VIKARMO.png</img> 


VIKARMO.bop
Vorgor


<img size=60>VORGOR.png</img> 


VORGOR.bop
Vulmar


<img size=60>VULMAR.png</img> 


VULMAR.bop
Xibren


<img size=60>XIBORG.png</img> 


XIBORG.bop
Yimandar


<img size=60>YIMANDA.png</img> 


YIMANDA.bop
Zhordanier


<img size=60>ZHORDAN.png</img> 


ZHORDAN.bop

Other und Mediors

Other Mediors (als Mod)
Unknown


<img size=60>Unknown.png</img> 


Unknown.bop
Default


<img size=60>Default.png</img> 


Default.bop
Entity


<img size=60>Entity.png</img> 


Entity.bop
Void


<img size=60>MAJOR7.png</img> 


MAJOR7.bop
Hüter


<img size=60>MAJOR8.png</img> 


MAJOR8.bop

Verwendete Icons

foodSmall.png industrySmall.png energySmall.png securitySmall.png researchSmall.png titanSmall.png deuteriumSmall.png duraniumSmall.png crystalSmall.png iridiumSmall.png Deritium.png moralSmall.png creditsSmall.png populationSmall.png popmaxSmall.png <img size=20>cloakedSmall.png</img> <img size=20>trophy1.png</img> <img size=20>trophy2.png</img> <img size=20>trophy3.png</img> <img size=20>troopSmall.png</img> <img size=20>tactic_attack.png</img> <img size=20>tactic_avoid.png</img> <img size=20>tactic_retreat.png</img> <img size=20>Win0.png</img> <img size=20>Win40.png</img> <img size=20>Win60.png</img> <img size=20>Win75.png</img> <img size=20>Win90.png</img>

Icons
Food


<img size=30>foodSmall.png</img> 


foodSmall.bop
Industry


<img size=30>industrySmall.png</img> 


industrySmall.bop
Energy


<img size=30>energySmall.png</img> 


energySmall.bop
Security


<img size=30>securitySmall.png</img> 


securitySmall.bop
Research


<img size=30>researchSmall.png</img> 


researchSmall.bop
Titan


<img size=30>titanSmall.png</img> 


titanSmall.bop
Deuterium


<img size=30>deuteriumSmall.png</img> 


deuteriumSmall.bop
Duranium


<img size=30>duraniumSmall.png</img> 


duraniumSmall.bop
Crystal


<img size=30>crystalSmall.png</img> 


crystalSmall.bop
Iridium


<img size=30>iridiumSmall.png</img> 


iridiumSmall.bop
Deritium


<img size=30>Deritium.png</img> 


Deritium.bop
Moral


<img size=30>moralSmall.png</img> 


moralSmall.bop
Credits


<img size=30>creditsSmall.png</img> 


creditsSmall.bop
Population


<img size=30>populationSmall.png</img> 


populationSmall.bop
Population max.


<img size=30>popmaxSmall.png</img> 


popmaxSmall.bop
Cloaked


<img size=30>cloakedSmall.png</img> 


cloakedSmal.bop
Trophy1


<img size=30>trophy1.png</img> 


trophy1.bop
Trophy2


<img size=30>trophy2.png</img> 


trophy2.bop
Trophy3


<img size=30>trophy3.png</img> 


trophy3.bop
Troop


<img size=30>troopSmall.png</img> 


troopSmall.bop
Tactic Attack


<img size=30>tactic_attack.png</img> 


tactic_attack.bop
Tactic Avoid


<img size=30>tactic_avoid.png</img> 


tactic_avoid.bop
Tactic Retreat


<img size=30>tactic_retreat.png</img> 


tactic_retreat.bop
Win0


<img size=30>Win0.png</img> 


Win0.bop
Win40


<img size=30>Win40.png</img> 


Win40.bop
Win60


<img size=30>Win60.png</img> 


Win60.bop
Win75


<img size=30>Win75.png</img> 


Win75.bop
Win90


<img size=30>Win90.png</img> 


Win90.bop


Erfahrung
Beginner Normal Profi Veteran Elite Legend
<img size=30>xp_beginner.png</img> <img size=30>xp_normal.png</img> <img size=30>xp_profi.png</img> <img size=30>xp_veteran.png</img> <img size=30>xp_elite.png</img> <img size=30>xp_legend.png</img> 

xp_beginner.bop


xp_normal.bop


xp_profi.bop


xp_veteran.bop


xp_elite.bop


xp_legend.bop

Verwendete Buttons

Terraner con_buttonminus.png con_buttonminus.bop con_buttonminusa.png con_buttonminusa.bop con_buttonplus.png con_buttonplus.bop con_buttonplusa.png con_buttonplusa.bop con_button.png con_button.bop con_buttona.png con_buttona.bop con_buttoni.png con_buttoni.bop con_button_roundend.png con_button_roundend.bop con_button_roundenda.png con_button_roundenda.bop con_button_roundendi.png con_button_roundendi.bop con_button_shiporder.png con_button_shiporder.bop con_button_small.png con_button_small.bop <img size=50>con_Starbase.png</img> con_Starbase.bop
Hanuhr han_buttonminus.png han_buttonminus.bop han_buttonminusa.png han_buttonminusa.bop han_buttonplus.png han_buttonplus.bop han_buttonplusa.png han_buttonplusa.bop han_button.png han_button.bop han_buttona.png han_buttona.bop han_buttoni.png han_buttoni.bop han_button_roundend.png han_button_roundend.bop han_button_roundenda.png han_button_roundenda.bop han_button_roundendi.png han_button_roundendi.bop han_button_shiporder.png han_button_shiporder.bop han_button_small.png han_button_small.bop <img size=50>han_Starbase.png</img> han_Starbase.bop
Khayrin kha_buttonminus.png kha_buttonminus.bop kha_buttonminusa.png kha_buttonminusa.bop kha_buttonplus.png kha_buttonplus.bop kha_buttonplusa.png kha_buttonplusa.bop kha_button.png kha_button.bop kha_buttona.png kha_buttona.bop kha_buttoni.png kha_buttoni.bop kha_button_roundend.png kha_button_roundend.bop kha_button_roundenda.png kha_button_roundenda.bop kha_button_roundendi.png kha_button_roundendi.bop kha_button_shiporder.png kha_button_shiporder.bop kha_button_small.png kha_button_small.bop <img size=50>kha_Starbase.png</img> kha_Starbase.bop
Rotharianer rot_buttonminus.png rot_buttonminus.bop rot_buttonminusa.png rot_buttonminusa.bop rot_buttonplus.png rot_buttonplus.bop rot_buttonplusa.png rot_buttonplusa.bop rot_button.png rot_button.bop rot_buttona.png rot_buttona.bop rot_buttoni.png rot_buttoni.bop rot_button_roundend.png rot_button_roundend.bop rot_button_roundenda.png rot_button_roundenda.bop rot_button_roundendi.png rot_button_roundendi.bop rot_button_shiporder.png rot_button_shiporder.bop rot_button_small.png rot_button_small.bop <img size=50>rot_Starbase.png</img> rot_Starbase.bop
Cartarer car_buttonminus.png car_buttonminus.bop car_buttonminusa.png car_buttonminusa.bop car_buttonplus.png car_buttonplus.bop car_buttonplusa.png car_buttonplusa.bop car_button.png car_button.bop car_buttona.png car_buttona.bop car_buttoni.png car_buttoni.bop car_button_roundend.png car_button_roundend.bop car_button_roundenda.png car_button_roundenda.bop car_button_roundendi.png car_button_roundendi.bop car_button_shiporder.png car_button_shiporder.bop car_button_small.png car_button_small.bop <img size=50>car_Starbase.png</img> car_Starbase.bop
Omega ome_buttonminus.png ome_buttonminus.bop ome_buttonminusa.png ome_buttonminusa.bop ome_buttonplus.png ome_buttonplus.bop ome_buttonplusa.png ome_buttonplusa.bop ome_button.png ome_button.bop ome_buttona.png ome_buttona.bop ome_buttoni.png ome_buttoni.bop ome_button_roundend.png ome_button_roundend.bop ome_button_roundenda.png ome_button_roundenda.bop ome_button_roundendi.png ome_button_roundendi.bop ome_button_shiporder.png ome_button_shiporder.bop ome_button_small.png ome_button_small.bop <img size=50>ome_Starbase.png</img> ome_Starbase.bop

Logo Vorschläge

  • Die Palan benötigen noch ein Logo --> da Raumfahrernation
  • Die Rianer, die Tuvalu und die Nation wurden noch nicht implementiert.
  • Die Rianer und die Levaner hätten dann das gleiche Symbol.
  • Die Nation und die Delarianer hätten dann das gleiche Symbol.
  • Die Tuvalu und die Azoraner hätten dann das gleiche Symbol in verschieden Farben.
Palan


<img size=60>Stealth-1.png</img> 


PALAN.bop
Rianer


<img size=60>RIAN-Symbol.png</img> 


RIAN.bop
Tuvalu


<img size=60>TUVALU-Symbol.png</img> 


TUVALU.bop
Nation


<img size=60>NATION-Symbol.png</img> 


NATION.bop


  • Als Alternativen könnten wir diese Verwenden.
Levaner


<img size=60>Detection-1.png</img> 


LEVA.bop
Nation


<img size=60>Troops_B.png</img> 


NATION.bop

Button Vorschläge

Icon Vorschläge

<img size=40>securitySmall-by_rainer.png</img> Rainers modifiziertes securitySmall Icon (ist leichter auf schwarzem Hintergrund erkennbar)

Research Vorschläge

biotech energytech computertech constructiontech propulsiontech weapontech specialtech
Actually
<img size=150>biotech.png</img> <img size=150>energytech.png</img> <img size=150>computertech.png</img> <img size=150>constructiontech.png</img> <img size=150>propulsiontech.png</img> <img size=150>weapontech.png</img> <img size=150>specialtech.png</img>
Vorschlaege
biotech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>biotech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		energytech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>energytech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		computertech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>computertech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		constructiontech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>constructiontech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		propulsiontech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>propulsiontech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		weapontech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>weapontech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		specialtech2_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>specialtech2_by_voxelgeek.png</img>
Vorschlaege
biotech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>biotech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		energytech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>energytech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		computertech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>computertech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		constructiontech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>constructiontech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		propulsiontech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>propulsiontech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		weapontech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>weapontech_by_voxelgeek.png</img> 		specialtech_by_voxelgeek.png

<img size=150>specialtech_by_voxelgeek.png</img>

Ungenutze Grafiken

tactic_retreat.png tactic_avoid.png tactic_attack.png Troops_B.png Stealth-1.png Armor.png Shields_D.png Shields_C.png Shields_B.png defense.png Minerals_A.png Experience.png Detection_D.png Defense_A.png Detection-1.png

01-03 --> http://www.forum.birth-of-the-empires.de/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1496#p21072
04-13 --> http://www.forum.birth-of-the-empires.de/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=956#p19896


<img size=100>weapontech.png</img> <img size=100>weapontech_ll.png</img> <img size=100>weapontech_IV.png</img> <img size=100>propulsiontech_ll.png</img>

ungenutzte Forschungsgrafiken könnten wir eventuell als Symbole oder Gebäude verwenden.
Vielleicht auch nur Einzellteile der Grafiken.
01-04 --> http://www.forum.birth-of-the-empires.de/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1084&start=15#p15141

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